Will The Baddow Road Bus Gate Cut Off Great Baddow From Chelmsford?

Great Baddow Bus Gate

Great Baddow Bus Gate

The Chelmsford City Growth Package has been announced this week, and one proposal within the Parkway Corridor is that there will be a “bus gate” operating on the junction of Baddow Road and the Army & Navy roundabout, which will effectively only allow busses through. Cars will have to find an alternative route.

Here is the proposall. You can read the proposal online (pdf) here too – we have shared the main details below for easier reading.

Army and Navy Roundabout Improvements: Baddow Road Bus Gate

Where is the scheme?

The Army and Navy roundabout is a key gateway to the city and is a key point on the network where five roads meet at the junction. The Baddow Road approach to the junction is a primarily residential access onto the junction and suffers severe congestion during peak periods. Baddow Road falls within the Air Quality Management Area (AQMA) around the Army and Navy junction.

What is being proposed?

Queuing traffic along Baddow Road adds to poor air quality – this needs to be addressed. There are a significant number of buses which use Baddow Road, however the traffic delays along the corridor increases journey time for buses by an average of 7 minutes in the morning peak. This is known to be significantly higher at times. In order to improve the air quality at this location, and to encourage people to use the buses, improvements are required.

An Air Quality Management Area is designated by a local authority when it considers that national air quality objectives will not be met.

The proposal is to install a ‘bus gate’ on the Baddow Road arm of the Army and Navy roundabout. A westbound bus gate between Meadgate Avenue and the roundabout would be in operation 24 hrs per day and 7 days per week. Cameras would be in place to enforce the bus gate.

Access into Baddow Road from the roundabout would remain as it is. The bus gate is expected to improve the operation of the Army and Navy roundabout by removing one of the approaches for regular vehicle movements but without the disbenefit of attracting significant additional traffic to the junction or Parkway.

This would help to create a faster and more reliable sustainable transport corridor for over 15 buses per peak hour travelling on Baddow Road, making these bus journeys an attractive alternative to car journeys as cars would need to travel on alternative routes.

Modelling of the bus gate indicates overall reductions in delay on the approach from Van Diemans Road to the roundabout, especially in the evening peak – it becomes easier for traffic on this arm to enter the roundabout. Overall there is no significant increase in congestion on other arms of the junction as traffic naturally redistributes itself across the network. Existing part-time signals can be used to balance flows entering the Army and Navy roundabout from Baddow Bypass and Chelmer Road to ensure both have opportunities to exit onto the roundabout as traffic redistributes from Baddow Road.

Initial assessment suggests that the scheme is likely to improve air quality on Baddow Road by reducing general traffic and associated queuing.

In peak hours, vehicles sit in queues travelling between 0 and 5 mph westbound from the junction with Beehive Lane until onto the Army and Navy Roundabout.

The Baddow Road bus gate scheme will also be supported by complementary measures that have been included in the overall package of proposals.

These include:

  • Beehive Lane and Loftin Way cycle scheme (see Volume 5 document);
  • Gt Baddow High School cycleway (see Volume 5 document);
  • Gt Baddow to City Centre cycleway (see Volume 5 document); and
  • Parkway Corridor improvements(described in this document).

The bus gate will be implemented for an 18 month trial to monitor the impacts on both local traffic and the traffic using the Army and Navy roundabout. Further options to optimise operation at the Army and Navy will be assessed during this period once traffic has settled into the new travel patterns.

There is a separate proposal in this volume, part of which relates to the provisions for people who cycle around the Army and Navy Roundabout. The Great Baddow to City Centre Cycle Route proposal can be found on page 12 of volume 5.

15 BUSES travel along Baddow Rd in the AM peak hour. One full bus can take 40 passengers – that’s 40 fewer cars on the road. If each of these buses were full, there could be up to 600 fewer cars on the road.

Other Options

Other options were considered for this area prior to choosing the bus gate but were discounted for the following reasons:

  • Full signalisation of the roundabout was discounted because of the lack of queuing space on the roundabout which caused the junction to ‘lock up’;
  • Replacing the flyover with a two-way structure was discounted in the short term due to cost and land issues. This option is being considered as a potential longer-term scheme; and Restricting all general traffic into and out of Baddow Road at the Army and Navy roundabout by creating a two way bus gate was discounted due to significant impacts of Baddow Road traffic re-routing onto the local road network

Great Baddow Bus Gate


Improvement in air quality at the Baddow Road junction with the Army and Navy roundabout, which is identified as an Air Quality Management Area. The reduction in queuing traffic along Baddow Road is expected to reduce pollution in the area and improve air quality with benefits for the health of residents of the local area. Improve congestion by removing the majority of traffic exiting from Baddow Road, and improve the overall operation of the roundabout.

Improve bus journey times and reliability: Reducing bus journey times and improving journey time reliability on Baddow Road is likely to make local bus services much more attractive as an alternative to travelling by car into the city centre.

Improve cycling access by allowing people who cycle to use the existing subway under the roundabout through Great Baddow to city centre cycle route improvements.

Improve response time for emergency vehicles by enabling them to use the bus gate. They will also benefit from the reduced congestion along the route.


Traffic: General traffic using Baddow Road onto the Army and Navy will need to change routes or choose another mode of travel such as bus, cycling or walking. There is likely to be additional traffic routing east via Great Baddow to the Maldon Road junction with the Baddow Bypass and traffic switching to Wood Street and London Road. Access:

Access to residential properties and businesses west of Meadgate Avenue may only be possible from the Army and Navy roundabout. Access for delivery vehicles and council services such as refuse collections will be considered during the detailed design phase.

Heavy goods vehicles: An alternative route will be identified to enable large vehicles that have reached the bus gate, but are not permitted to exit, to safely turn back. This may be via Meadgate Avenue and is likely to result in some additional heavy goods vehicles on this road.

Cost estimate: Less than £500,000

*** End of Proposal Document ****

Our Concerns

For anybody living within the area of Great Baddow between Beehive Lane and the Army & Navy, they will be blocked from entering town along the shortest and fastest route. Even in the evenings and at weekends, local residents will have to travel from the top of Baddow Road all the way back into Great Baddow to join the Baddow Bypass, to then return into to. In terms of pollution, this is forcing people to make much longer journeys. Not everybody can catch a bus – busses do not run 24/7, so why should the bus gate operate around the clock?

Business Impact

It will also affect services to Great Baddow from town – delivery drivers and traders will have to take a much longer round trip, which could see prices pushed up.

Businesses along Baddow Road may also be affected by a significant reduction in passing traffic. The two garages will see a massive drop in passing traffic.

Will We Get More Busses?

Of course, the big question is, will we get more busses? At the moment, there are only a few busses that run along this route, and most serve towns and villages further out, such as Maldon, Danbury, Bicknacre, and East Hanningfield.

Also, many people passing along Baddow Road are not living on bus routes that serve this entry into town.

Meadgate, which is also a proposed new cycle route, will receive much more traffic, especially from vehicles that are turned back – including HGVs. Meadgate is a residential road, with many cars parking on the road side, along with schools and shops, which poses a safety risk. Forcing a lorry to turn around from the Army & Navy to then drive all the way along Meadgate and then to the bypass is going to cause more noise and pollution on an otherwise quiet road. For example, people living at the top of Meadgate can currently enjoy a 1.2 mile drive that takes around 5 minutes. With this change, their journey will increase to 3.6 miles, and take 10 minutes.

Finally, there is the question of whether the other changes to the Army & Navy will provide enough extra traffic. If busses are given any priority to access the roundabout, this would suggest that traffic coming from the bypass will be hindered even more than it already is, and with more cars forced on to the bypass, we will see longer queues.

How to have your say: https://www.essex.gov.uk/News/Pages/We-want-your-views-to-help-transform-Chelmsford-for-decades-to-come.aspx

Do you think this will be a good idea? Comment below.

  59 comments for “Will The Baddow Road Bus Gate Cut Off Great Baddow From Chelmsford?

  1. Mrs Jones
    July 19, 2017 at 10:05 pm

    As I live at the bottom end of Baddow Road this will have a serious and significant impact on our lives. I cannot use the busses to get to my work and this will result in significantly longer journey times. We bought a house to be convenient to town, we happily accept the traffic. If people don’t want to sit in traffic they can choose another route anyway. I doubt more people will take up the bus option due to their cost and I do not appreciate the idea of 15 busses an hour passing our house! This cannot go ahead!

    • Ben Bushnell
      November 29, 2017 at 4:03 pm

      Completely agree with you! I live on the junction of Baddow Road and Beehive Lane. To block of access into Chelmsford for us residents is madness! and having to find an alternate route just for many people to get home is horrendous! Not only that but it could mean killing off several businesses that rely on passing traffic. This is just an idiotic proposal that only benefits the busses, which are not frequent enough to warrant cutting off an entire section of road!

    • Riad
      January 13, 2018 at 1:49 pm

      Bus route is fine but city councils get blind they have major issues like Chelmsford needed to build a bypass road from Broomfield hospital round about to accross the field to Essex regiment way near beaulipark round about to go to Broomfield hospital quick instead this slow 30 mile road . And sandford mill road need to connect to go chelmer village and need a bypass road writtle to behind chignal to Broomfield hospital back road .

  2. Mrs Smith
    July 19, 2017 at 11:16 pm

    This is utter madness. I cannot believe the idea has got past discussion stage!
    I live on Meadgate and can barely get my car down there some days with the roadside parking, how on earth will heavy goods vehicles cope? And as for increased bus service, what a joke! Perhaps they should ensure the bus company actually does its job properly first, their incompetence has nothing to do with traffic flow!
    So extra traffic will just ‘naturally disperse’ on to other roads without an increase in traffic problems? Are they for real?! Are they hoping that if they keep telling everyone that, it’ll actually come true?
    Ill-thought out rubbish, the entire proposal.

    • j l taylor
      July 20, 2017 at 1:27 pm

      if more people got on buses this may bring fares down. as a bus driver on all routes in Chelmsford
      i am glad it will force cars down the bypass . im sure if i lived in heath drive i would love to be able to get to town in 7 minutes instead of the normal 35 . sorry rant over

      • j l taylor
        July 20, 2017 at 1:33 pm

        Dear Mrs SMITH . as a bus driver on all first services out of Chelmsford we try to do a bloody good job how would you cope if your bus was stuck in baddow rd and when we eventually get to our destination only to be met by passengers taking it out on the driver because their bus is late due to Baddow rd. I say bring on the bus gate asap

        • Paul
          May 10, 2018 at 6:34 am

          This is nothing to do with Bus Drivers and is purely down to bad planning by the bus company and council. Plan routes properly and introduce new shorter routes rather than extending existing routes. Reduce the cost and make the buses more reliable. Over the last 2 years 7 of the buses I have used have broken down .. if you cannot rely on a service and prices continually escalate it becomes unpleasant to use.

      • The Snail
        July 20, 2017 at 9:21 pm

        A bus company bringing fares down – what planet do you live on?

  3. Julie pateman
    July 20, 2017 at 5:20 am

    This will only force people to use Moulsham Lodge as a cut through. Which will have a major impact on the estate, especially in the morning and evenings when you have over a thousand children travelling to the three schools on this estate. Cars travel too fast along Gloucester Avenue at the moment, this would only get worse. It could result in more road traffic accidents especially as there is only one zebra crossing on the estate and they now no longer have a “lollipop person”.

    So you make your bus gate at the expense of children’s lives.

    • The Snail
      July 20, 2017 at 9:26 pm

      You are so right. Until the City Council fix the flyover to 2 lanes or more there will be no solution.
      Yes it will be expensive – but what is the life of a child worth. Should the worst happen, our City Council will be culpable.

    • Ben Bushnell
      November 29, 2017 at 4:06 pm

      I completely agree with you! This seems to be such a narrow minded proposition that is clearly only benefiting one type of person… bus passengers. I am sorry but i did not purchase a property on Baddow road, just to have my access to town cut off for a minority of people, to which the service they use already over charges. Pathetic!

  4. Stevens
    July 20, 2017 at 6:31 am

    This is completely not viable, the buses do not take me to my work and I will have an enormous detour to get there, therefore increasing the amount of time I spend in my car and therefore increasing the environmental impact, not reducing. I will use more fuel not less multiply that by the number of vehicle that will be pushed into other routes. Has anyone who proposes this scheme tried to catch a bus to work, I guess not. How about the businesses on that stretch of road, the motorcycle shop to name just one, would surely have to close. The cleaning company ( Elite I think ) would cease to exist. Would these businesses be compensated ? The increased traffic on the bypass would be epic, more cars would use the flyover ( and we all know what that would bring ). Leave this idea on the drawing board.

  5. Ray
    July 20, 2017 at 8:25 am

    I agree with all of the comments here. Please do NOT proceed with this plan. Can residents band together to prevent this?

    • N.C.M
      October 9, 2017 at 9:29 am

      Ray, Judging from the latest information leaflet that was put through our letter boxes recently, it would appear that the County Council have already made up their minds concerning the “bus gate” because they are now going to repair the road surface of the whole of Meadgate Avenue AND Longmead Avenue. One would assume that this is in preparation of the expected heavier traffic flow when the “bus gate” takes place, What a shambles!!.

  6. Sophie
    July 20, 2017 at 9:45 am

    This is absolutely ludicrous! I bought a house in Baddow due to the great placement in the area for access to London, Harlow, A12 and surrounding roads. It already takes 30 minutes to get from Baddow to the other side of town onto the B1060 and this will easily add yet another 30 minutes into my journey daily. They now need to consider that the traffic will build up in the opposite direction down Baddow road towards the Bypass.
    The bus is also over priced, always stinks and cant cover a journey from Baddow to Harlow so it is not viable for me to take it.
    If this goes ahead I will undoubtedly lose money on my house if I wish to sell and Chelmsford will be even more blocked up as you are removing a through flow in and out of town.

    Crazy idea. If this passes and goes ahead I’ll be a very angry resident.

    • j l taylor
      July 20, 2017 at 1:41 pm

      Dear Mrs SMITH . as a bus driver on all first services out of Chelmsford we try to do a bloody good job how would you cope if your bus was stuck in baddow rd and when we eventually get to our destination only to be met by passengers taking it out on the driver because their bus is late due to Baddow rd. I say bring on the bus gate asap

      • The Snail
        July 20, 2017 at 8:45 pm

        It may make your job easier as a bus driver – many more residents will be inconvenienced by this silly scheme. They will have to pay for this – you will be paid by the bus company whatever happens – they will be out of pocket you will not.

      July 20, 2017 at 1:51 pm

      Dear Sophie. there are buses that come from Baddow namely a 40,41.45,51.36 to name a few then you could connect with the 59 to Harlow. with was is being planned it would save you money from Baddow to Harlow by buying a Essex day ticket at cost of £9 a day how much is it costing you in petrol and time sitting in traffic queues. with the planned proposals which as a Bus driver on Chelmsford routes im all in favour of its been a long time coming.

      • Mrs Jones
        July 20, 2017 at 8:18 pm

        Dear Mr Taylor
        I appreciate there are always two sides to a story but surely you can see the impact this will have on the residence of Baddow Rd (in particular the lower end). I am not knocking the bus service although the year my son was reliant on them to get to college, I spent a substantial amount of money and time driving to collect him every time he was stranded…he now takes the train! The traffic will be pushed through Gt Baddow village and Moulsham Lodge. May I ask if you are being paid by the bus company to support this rediculous proposal?

        • JOHN L TAYLOR
          July 22, 2017 at 5:54 am

          Dear Mrs Jones, this i only my personal opinion as to the job i do, nothing to do with the company

      • David Carter
        January 5, 2018 at 12:34 am

        Not everyone on the bus is stopping in town.

      • Paul
        May 10, 2018 at 8:44 am

        Just as an update. The 40 no longer serves Baddow as it has been rerouted to Boreham. No buses now go down Galleywood Road but we do have several bus stops with nice electronic signs (obviously constantly blank now). It’s hard to know what buses go where now because as usual the bus company is too inefficient and apathetic to change the bus stop signs so that you don’t stand waiting for a bus that no longer turns up …

        Inspiring to see how forward thinking the bus companies are … this is surely going to encourage the hundreds of new bus users we are told will flock to use these increasingly poor services.

        I feel sorry for the drivers as they are at the coal face as it were but would encourage them to get the irate commuters to feed back to both the council and bus company.

        It’s no coincidence that in this age of everyone wanting feedback – the bus companies never seek that – or make it easy to feed back on service at all (to worried about what would happen I think).

  7. Steve Wallis
    July 20, 2017 at 11:43 am

    I sympathise with the Baddow Residents and what about the air quality in Moulsham Lodge and Tile Kiln when everyone cuts through them and also Church Street when people cut through there to get onto the bypass?

  8. Gill Davis
    July 20, 2017 at 1:29 pm

    What a ridiculous idea! If people don’t want to sit in traffic, go via another route – which I frequently do! But when it is quiet traffic-wise along Baddow Road, we don’t want to have to go the long way round! This plan would cause a lot of disruption and extra fuel consumption for so many people for what – 15 buses an hour?!

  9. Mr. Peterson
    July 20, 2017 at 1:42 pm

    Even if there are 15 busses an hour, that is only one every 4 minutes. Almost 8 minutes could pass with no traffic at all. That does not make very good use of a major road, does it? How about only allowing cars and send all the busses along the bus lane that already exists on the bypass, as well making lorries and vans use the bypass? Also, on busy days the bypass is already backed up to the Great Baddow slip road – this will get worse, not better, if Baddow Road is CLOSED to traffic.

    • Ben Bushnell
      November 29, 2017 at 4:11 pm

      Absolutely right! There is already a bus lane in place on the bypass! Why do we need another parallel to it? DO these people even think about the people of the area they are a detriment to when they concoct these hair brained schemes? or do these schemes line someones pockets? i mean screw us residents of Great Baddow right? we only live there!

  10. David
    July 20, 2017 at 2:44 pm

    I do wonder if the council ever really thinks that for every action they think about there is a reaction that they tend to ignore. Yes there is a problem in Baddow Road with the volume of traffic, but this idea is only going to move the problem to Maldon Road.
    With the large amount of additional traffic streaming up past the Parish Hall there is a bottle neck between The Causeway and Crescent Road. I am concerned that here there is a potential road safety hazard. The road narrows and is only just wide enough for two cars to pass carefully. There are houses along this narrow stretch whose front doors open directly on to the road. There is also a very narrow footpath which could be considered dangerous as you could be clipped by a vehicles wing mirror especially from larger vehicles mirrors.
    Moving further along to the junctions with Longmead Avenue and Jeffery Road. Here Baddow Hall School traffic and pedestrians turning into Jeffery Road will add to further delays along with all the vehicles that are coming from the Meadgate Estate making their way to the by-pass.
    Although I do sympathise with the residents of the lower half of Baddow Road with regards to air quality I do feel that this problem will move to Great Baddow village. So where next do we go with this?

    • The Snail
      July 20, 2017 at 9:18 pm

      Quite right, but I would also point out that part of the Maldon road is so narrow that a bus and a larger car or lorry find it very difficult to pass, and have to wait to let one or other of the vehicles through. I doubt if any of our City Councillors even know this.

      • Open Road
        July 25, 2017 at 12:33 pm

        This is not a City Council proposal. It is a County Council proposal and is not supported by your City Councillors. Buses are not the responsibility of the City Council, so there is no ‘Bus Lobby’.

    • KEN
      December 27, 2017 at 5:01 pm

      It all ends up back to the congestion at the Army Navy flyover, traffic use Baddie Rd to avoid even longer queues on the duel carriageway into Town. Keep on cutting corners now it will only cost more in the future, We need a 2 way flyover.

  11. MGP
    July 20, 2017 at 2:51 pm

    This is just pushing the problem onto other routes and blocking them up instead, it’s not a solution at all! If it is such a problem for buses and is causing serious delays then send them on the bypass, like the park and ride, where there is a bus lane.

  12. Mary Smith
    July 20, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    Absolutely ludicrous. 🤣😂. Whoever thought this up obviously doesn’t live in the affected area. It will just cause a longer journey, more pollution, and traffic will still be travelling in via a different route which will become even more congested than at present.
    Where is the common sense in this. The concerns say it all.

    • The Snail
      July 20, 2017 at 8:59 pm

      You are right the problem is moved but not solved. One of the main problems is that there have been a large number of new builds in Chelmsford. Each new house may well have 2 cars each car will take up to 6 metres of road space – so with 400 new properties, for example, that will mean 400 * 12 metres of road space i.e. 4800 metres i.e nearly 5 kilometres. There is no overall plan for Chelmsford which intergrates planning for residences and that takes into account the congestion/pollution that will result.

  13. j shuttlewood
    July 20, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    reading all the comments on here i agree its a daft idea, i don’t see the sense in it what so ever, the majority of people who use baddow road use other means of transport other than busses and those who do use the busses are more than likely used to sitting in traffic at certain times of the day therefore get the earlier bus to compensate for delays, there are going to be delays what ever root the busses take in, out and through the town so are they going to try this on all roots??? but apart from the busses and traffic how are people going to access the doctors surgery, houses and flats?

  14. Andy
    July 20, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    I wonder how much this idea is really about air quality if it was then electric vehicles would still be allowed through. Is this part of our councils anti car policies. Why do the council seem to prefer the bus companies…….???

    • The Snail
      July 20, 2017 at 9:34 pm

      I suspect a bus company lobby at the City Council. The question is who may they have knobbled there?

  15. Adrian G
    July 20, 2017 at 7:56 pm

    This is not a solution it just moves the problem elsewhere. It makes me wonder if the they had put the fly over the right way in the first place the traffic would not be as bad as it is now anyway. Let alone the traffic light fiasco a few years ago if anyone remembers that plus pedestranising everywhere.

    When will the Council and people who make these decisions realise that not everyone works in Chelmsford and cant get the bus to work or travel to County hall with their flexi hours, trust time working, working from home policies.

    I am sure the Council is paranoid that Baddow road residents possibly in the future would sue them for not preventing the bad air quality hence these steps.

    Imagine all the disabled drivers this would affect also having to get a bus! Their cars are their only way of getting out for some.

    If this happens its time to leave Chelmsford…..

  16. The Snail
    July 20, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    I think it is about time for a freedom of information request as to who in the council (councillors and officials) were involved in the proposal of this mad cap scheme. Anyone who knows the area of Great Baddow, in any detail, would not have not have come up with such a Heath Robinson scheme. But perhaps they did because they have tolerated/supported the Heath Robinson flyover which is one of the main entry points to Chelmsford. This flyover is unique in the UK because nobody else has thought that ‘such a contraption’ it is a good idea – except of course the Councillors and Officials of the City of Chelmsford – until they fix the flyover and deliver something much better they will remain a laughing stock.

      December 4, 2017 at 9:02 am

      As stated in other responses, there is confusion over which Council is responsible for what: Chelmsford City Council is NOT responsible for either the roads or the Army and Navy roundabout; this is the responsibility of Essex County Council. The County Councillor responsible is Kevin Bentley.

      • David Carter
        April 25, 2018 at 6:51 am

        Which they are fully backing Cll Scott’s husband

  17. Diana J
    July 20, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    I think the councillor who proposed this and is trying to push it throu lives or has lived until very recently in Waltham Forest! They have put in place the most stupid and crazy scheme there, closing roads or making them one way, putting huge bumps every few yards, which jar the back, and loads of cycle lanes!! Cycles are out of date as a mode of transport! Their hay day was the early 1900s and up to maybe the 1950s. Since the car bus and lorry took over the streeets, cyclists are not safe, except in velodromes and parks, or way out in remote country places! Cities are not the place for bikes. Apart from this it will cause huge congestion on the Baddow ByPass especially after 2.30pm, and make life very difficult for tnose of us who live in Gt Baddow, especially on the Baddow Road. And as for buses we only get 2 buses an hour from our area(40), so it won’t help us at all, whereas Galleywood have about 6 different buses and they run every 10 minutes until late evening. Pollution might be slightly better in the Baddow Road, although buses use diesel which is bad, but will be much worse in all the surrounding roads, where the problem has been moved to. What the council needs to do is stop people parking down the Baddow Rd, put double yellow lines in and build a car park for residents! And od course make that stupid flyover two way! They had the opportunity when the Army and Navy was redveloped but they preferred to allow more shops and a Travel Lodge!

  18. Philip
    July 20, 2017 at 10:09 pm

    I have just made the following freedom odf Information request to the city council.

    With regard to the above proposal by the City Council I would like answers to the following questions:

    1. What computer simulations, if any, have been commisioned to model the effect of the proposed changes on the rest of Great Baddow ?

    2. Have any mathematical models been created to model the effect of these changes in the area?

    3. if the scheme is implemented by what quantitive criteria will you judge the scheme to have been a success?

    4. Which councillors and Officials have been most involved in coming up with these proposals?

    You all may like to submit your own

    • Open Road
      July 25, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      The City Council is not proposing this scheme. It is the County Council so please direct your FOI request to County Hall.

      December 3, 2017 at 11:51 pm

      I belive that it is Essex COUNTY Council who responsible for this proposal. The Chelmsford CITY Councillors for Great Baddow East, Liz Ahmed, Stephanie Scott and Gill Smith are totally opposed to this ill-considered proposal and are working hard with support of other CITY councillors to oppose this Scheme

      • Dave
        March 10, 2018 at 12:35 am

        This is incorrect in my view. All they have achieved is stopping it going ahead 24hrs a day,but it’s the rush hours that people want more road access.

      • David Carter
        April 25, 2018 at 6:47 am

        They are not against this they have agreed it,that is why they have posted on their page which they have blocked me commenting on(Freedom of speech not allowed on elected councillors page)about the 2 meetings 31st May & 5th June. If they were against it then they would not give Bentley the time of day Mr Scott Cll Scott’s Husband.

  19. Beverly
    July 21, 2017 at 3:33 am

    I think this is stupid idea as this will affect all of the other side roads, and it will make impractical or the doctors surgery and other amenities

  20. Wayne
    July 21, 2017 at 12:57 pm

    I have lived in Gloucester Avenue for 3.5 years and the traffic has got worse constantly; starting earlier, finishing later, busier, faster etc. A lot of the Baddow Road flow of traffic will come this way, i think there will be a serious accident and/or fatality imminently, probably a school child.
    Add in the proposed development of John Shennan field for a residential estate providing another busy turning in and out later on…..absolutely ridiculous.

    The bus gate initiative will make it an unbearable, dangerous road to live on across an extended length of distance compared to Beehive Lane to the Army and Navy stretch.

    The queue on Baddow Road is a problem, solving it for buses will only screw even more parts of the town.

  21. Ian
    July 21, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    The proposal contradicts itself. It states that by installing the gate the traffic will naturally redistribute itself across the network however installing gates in both directions will have a significant impact on the local network with Baddow road traffic re-routing itself. Therefore in the proposals own words they agree that Baddow road traffic whether with one or two gates will have to re-route itself the significance of this is undetermined with one gate but a definite no no with two gates. How many man hours has it taken to put these proposals together, better to start to save Councils money and start a fund for a proper two way flyover. As a post note, what happens if the by pass is closed for any reason or if the flyover is shut. Roads are the arterys and veins of a town and like a body when you start to cause blockages it doesn’t function properly.

  22. Stuart
    July 24, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    I live on baddow road by meadgate turning and am sick and tired of the traffic outside, I don’t leave the house at certain times as there is to much traffic. Getting a double flyover would make a difference buy won’t resolve the problem, and as for stopping parking on baddow road is mad. Where would we park there is nowhere for alternative parking near buy it should be permit parking to stop people parking down there and walking to work or into town.
    Unfortunately chelmsford has got bigger but the roads are still from the 60s.

  23. David Watts
    July 27, 2017 at 2:48 pm

    The document itself recognises that this proposal could cause traffic to route elsewhere. This is an obvious and unacceptable consequence, as surrounding roads are already congested at peak times.

    Baddow Road is mostly quiet during the day (and often at peak times during school holidays), so people will be forced to make longer journeys even when this road is quiet, resulting in unnecessarily increased fuel consumption and worsening of air quality in other areas.

    In any case, why does the proposal have to apply at all times? Applying it during peak times, e.g. 07:30 – 09:30 and 16:30 – 18:30, would at least allow cars to use it when the road is quieter.

    Seeing as the road is much quieter during school holidays, the issue is obviously largely linked to school traffic. The local authorities should therefore investigate increasing availability of school buses in the area, thereby reducing the number of people driving their children to school.

    The air quality on this road is clearly an issue, but simply shutting it to solve this is brushing the problem under the carpet.

    There is an obsession with the idea that people will use public transport, walk or cycle instead of driving – and the plan aims to provide improvements to these methods of travel. However, these changes would have to be in place and monitored well before closing any roads to regular traffic could be contemplated. Even once improvements to public transport and the cycle network are made, people’s attitudes towards travel will take time to change and for their behaviours to change as a result. And, of course, people who need to travel further afield or wish to purchase bulky goods and/or large amounts of shopping, for example from the nearby B&M store, will still need to use their cars.

    Clearly the issue causing the congestion along Baddow Road is how the roundabout behaves, and the circulation of cars coming from other roads. Surely the engineers can come up with a way in which the roundabout can be reconfigured to allow traffic to flow better? They’ve had a long enough time to do this.

  24. Andy Graham
    August 8, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    Went to the consultation yesterday and doubt anything said was taken on board.

    Loads of us there pointing out all the obvious flaws in this idea and the reps there just nodded and replied with ‘Our data shows us…’

    Call me cynical but I do not for 1 second believe the intention is ever to have a 24/7 bus gate.

    I believe it was always intended to be rush hour only, they just announced it as 24/7 so that when they change it later they will be seen as listening to public opinion and people will be happier about it.

    So many flaws with this I don’t know where to start

    – Will push traffic to Moulsham Lodge with all the schools near there

    – Will push traffic to the A130 at Vineyards… A woefully narrow road with almost no pavement

    – Will leave that vital section of Baddow Road empty of traffic except for the occasional bus

    – Will impact on people’s travel as the buses going down there do not run frequently enough, do not run on sensible routes, start and end too late/early and are expensive.

    I think we all saw this weekend with Baddow Road closed after the murder a small taste of what this will be like

  25. c Bloomfield
    September 14, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    With the bus lane the people will leave the car in Meadgate Ave more than now and the buses will not get down . Some times they can’t get round the bottom now .if the council is is trying to stop the jams speak to the planners that pass housing and for get about the cars house have to cars so building two hundred house will make four hundred cars

  26. BALC
    October 19, 2017 at 10:08 am

    Introduce auto signs at Beehive Lane junction: No exit except for ‘special classes’ to Chelmsford at ‘X’ times. Solves pollution and traffic delay. Allows off peak use as now. This might be a useful trial, which should be tolerable to most people.

  27. Peter Hawkins
    November 29, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    Meadgate Avenue is chockablock with parked cars do these people ever go and look before they leap ? The surrounding roads especially Moulsham lodge will be hammered. If the conglomeration of traffic entering/exiting Parkway, Waterhouse Lane, Rainsford Road and the other junctions can be controlled by Traffic lights why not the Army and Navy? it has partial traffic control Lights and a mothballed traffic light at Baddow Road junction ( switched off !! ) More traffic jams, more air pollution and huge frustration will be the result of this.

  28. Tadas
    December 11, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    Stupid idea !!!
    What chelmsford mayor thinking ?
    Make people move from there and sell very cheap houses ? Then demolished house and build new ones or other shopping centre ?
    It must be some kind reson to do such stupid thing.
    Totally against that as many others people.

  29. Bob
    December 12, 2017 at 11:11 pm

    Well it doesn’t matter what we say the council will do as they please…

    Ive lived in Meadgate for a few years now and I know a lot of people moan about the buses but you have to think about what causes the delays, it’s usually traffic or old people, ever got the 905 bus it’s usually full of old people with there free bus passes…

    The bus gate is both a good and bad option, I agree with the bus gate being implemented especially when I can walk faster than the traffic…

    I do feel that residents should either be given a free pass or it should be in operation set hours including weekends as traffic is ridiculous…

    I understand how hard the bus drivers work but I do feel that first as a company need to improve on some of there services but I also appreciate it’s probably not cost effective enough to run a 24hr bus service…

    It’s all swings and roundabout’s in respects it’s a great idea in other respects it’s bloopy stupud…

    The reason they can’t put a 2 way flyover in is because there is a finance hardline under the army and navy which would cost millions to re route…

    What needs to happen is Baddow road really needs to be 2 way or people need to stop being lazy butts but that is an impossability…

    There is nothing the Council can do that will please everyone

  30. Spud
    January 11, 2018 at 12:24 am

    Sort the army and navy out long term by building a suitable flyover/underpass. Not stupid scheme like this. Compulsory purchase property and relocate the residents in property of higher standards and were they want live if necessary. If pollution is the logic behind it all get electric buses and then there will be no need to change because of pollution argument.

  31. David Carter
    April 25, 2018 at 6:58 am

    The Great Baddow Councillors are saying they are against this,but they are not & are backing Bentley fully. This is why they have posted on their site,that on 31st May & 5th June venue yet not known,that you can get tickets,yes tickets ha-ha to an open event on this issue.(They have blocked me & others commenting on their site which is very democratic)GBENA have proved that lots of what they are saying is false & i suggest you ask to join this facebook sie for correct information on this matter,

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